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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="capaho"]

Who really cares, I'm not going after the Pulitzer Prize for Forum Posts here.

capaho

Sleeping Dogs bit me!

Give it a rest already!

Really, that's all you can take away from that previous post?

I not only invited you to engage in civil discourse but I also gave your credit for making an excellent point in a different post.

If I didn't think you had something intelligent to offer, I wouldn't have extended the invitation.

The problem with having a discussion about diversity or sexism is that this is the wrong game to be used as a launching pad. Clearly this game is recycling tropes from the sword-and-sorcery genre and that genre has always been about buxom ladies, muscled warriors, and plenty of purposeful exaggeration.

Grammaton-Cleric

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across? 

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments. 

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The problem with having a discussion about diversity or sexism is that this is the wrong game to be used as a launching pad. Clearly this game is recycling tropes from the sword-and-sorcery genre and that genre has always been about buxom ladies, muscled warriors, and plenty of purposeful exaggeration.

IndianaPwns39

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across? 

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments. 

there's really been very little discussion about the artists' intent. it has mostly been two sides acknowledging that there are outrageous body types and that they are okay with that or not.

still, the game hasn't been released yet so nobody has had a chance to give it a full shot. hopefully discussion improves once the game is out and people have access to the full context.

there's really been very little discussion about the artists' intent. it has mostly been two sides acknowledging that there are outrageous body types and that they are okay with that or not.

still, the game hasn't been released yet so nobody has had a chance to give it a full shot. hopefully discussion improves once the game is out and people have access to the full context.

LoG-Sacrament

"Thank you for contacting me; I am George Kamitani from Vanillaware.

Ill go into detail about the reasons behind some of Dragons Crown design concepts.

I believe that the basic fantasy motifs seen in Dungeons & Dragons and the work of J.R.R. Tolkien have a style that is very attractive, and I chose to use some orthodox ones in my basic designs. However, if I left those designs as is, they wont stand out amongst the many fantasy designs already in the video game/comic/movie/etc. space. Because of that, I decided to exaggerate all of my character designs in a cartoonish fashion.

I exaggerated the silhouettes of all the masculine features in the male characters, the feminine features in female characters, and the monster-like features in the monsters from many different angles until each had a unique feel to them. I apologize to those who were made uncomfortable by the arts appearance, and did not see the same light-hearted fantasy in my designs.

I dont harbor any ill-will to Jason Schreier for the article he originally posted about the Sorceress or his follow-up. Although it may be negative feedback, I am very thankful for having one of our titles being covered. I do understand what Jason and the rest of the discussions on the internet are saying for the most part. I am not sure if I can implement the critiques from him and others around the internet into my future artistic creations, but I will definitely keep in mind that these opinions are out there and affect people on a personal level. I feel that any form of media content faces death when it doesnt receive attention at all. So, be it criticism or support, I am truly thankful for the people talking about Dragons Crown and the people discovering Vanillaware for the first time.

In regards to the Dwarf image I posted on my Facebook page: This image was never intended to attack Jason. Originally, it was a promotional image that I created for my fan base in Japan, which I posted to the official Vanillaware Twitter account earlier.

We receive many requests from companies to create publicity illustrations for the game, but we never received any requests for the Dwarf. Also, as the games street date nears, most retail shops start requesting exclusive art for their retailer-exclusive bonus items. In Japan, these illustration requests can even be as specific as something like female characters in swimwear. In these requests as well, the Dwarf was nowhere to be seen.

So, I decided to unofficially draw a sweaty Dwarf in a bathing suit, with a bit of cynicism towards those retailer requests. I drew 3 of them to show that there are character color variations available.

However, this image is something I created on my own, and will not see the light of day in any publication. I felt it was a shame to just throw it out, and thought Id just post it on my own Facebook. Thats when I remembered Jasons article and thought that Id post it as a little joke with a comment. I used an automated translator to try and make a lighthearted joke in English, but clearly that wasnt the case. I was very surprised to see the crazy aftermath.

Its okay if it was just me who was criticized, but it is not my intention to cause problems for Dragons Crown publisher (ATLUS) and all the other people who are involved in this project. From now on, I will limit myself about transmitting something personal out in the public.

Also, it would be very appreciated if you could please contact Index Digital Media, Inc. if you plan to make anything related to this matter, including this e-mail, into an article.

Lastly, please tell Jason that I am sorry for causing him trouble, and also to please dont let my actions cause him to shy away from Vanillaware products

Good bye, and thank you."

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]

there's really been very little discussion about the artists' intent. it has mostly been two sides acknowledging that there are outrageous body types and that they are okay with that or not.

still, the game hasn't been released yet so nobody has had a chance to give it a full shot. hopefully discussion improves once the game is out and people have access to the full context.

Phantom_Leo

[QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The problem with having a discussion about diversity or sexism is that this is the wrong game to be used as a launching pad. Clearly this game is recycling tropes from the sword-and-sorcery genre and that genre has always been about buxom ladies, muscled warriors, and plenty of purposeful exaggeration.

LoG-Sacrament

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across? 

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments. 

there's really been very little discussion about the artists' intent. it has mostly been two sides acknowledging that there are outrageous body types and that they are okay with that or not.

still, the game hasn't been released yet so nobody has had a chance to give it a full shot. hopefully discussion improves once the game is out and people have access to the full context.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean those in this thread were having a discussion about the artist's intent, I'm just saying there's room for it and there has been some mature comments regarding the game as a whole.

At least the artist and the writer from Kotaku settled things in a mature fashion after resorting to juvenile arguments. 

If anyone is offended by something like that, they should be avoiding the internet, movies, books, games and tv entirely and go live with the Amish.

[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="IndianaPwns39"]

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across? 

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments. 

IndianaPwns39

there's really been very little discussion about the artists' intent. it has mostly been two sides acknowledging that there are outrageous body types and that they are okay with that or not.

still, the game hasn't been released yet so nobody has had a chance to give it a full shot. hopefully discussion improves once the game is out and people have access to the full context.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean those in this thread were having a discussion about the artist's intent, I'm just saying there's room for it and there has been some mature comments regarding the game as a whole.

At least the artist and the writer from Kotaku settled things in a mature fashion after resorting to juvenile arguments. 

Not to get involved, because I don't do the whole get the last word in on the internet thing myself, (to each their own) but their IS a difference between telling someone their post is idiotic, and telling them that THEY are an idiot. The hell with that kinder gentler stuff, if someone says something stupid, they should be called out on it. Peace out homie G, word up. Yo... Cowabunga? Whatever the kids say these days.Buckhannah

I'm not really into name calling and I prefer to stick to the issues without personalizing it too much, although I don't hesitate to provide a measured response when I'm being unfairly or inappropriately attacked over mere disagreement.  As for trying to get the last word in, that's pretty much impossible when you're dealing with someone who is obsessed with it, and getting the last word in seems rather pointless in any case when the discussion is not contributing anything positive to the issue.

If anyone is offended by something like that, they should be avoiding the internet, movies, books, games and tv entirely and go live with the Amish.

Zen_Light

Thanks for providing a good example of insensitivity.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The problem with having a discussion about diversity or sexism is that this is the wrong game to be used as a launching pad. Clearly this game is recycling tropes from the sword-and-sorcery genre and that genre has always been about buxom ladies, muscled warriors, and plenty of purposeful exaggeration.

IndianaPwns39

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across?

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments.

You make an excellent point regarding this game generating some intelligent discussion.

My point however is that context is crucial and I take issue with anyone who uses something like this, which is arguably an outlier in terms of design, and attempts to employ it as evidence that the entire medium is suffering from sexism and a lack of diversity. Clearly this game is adhering to a specific style and genre thus it cannot be used to accurately represent this medium as a whole when it comes to the portrayal of women.

Truthfully, I don't see this design as something commonplace within gaming; I truly can't recall many games that employ such generous...proportions.

Dead or Alive maybe?

I love Vanillaware games because they are actual art over pushing as many polygons as possible. 

I can look past the fact that a character looks like two watermelons nailed to a lamppost if boobs arent the center focus of the game. Odin Sphere had some pretty busty women in it too, back before it became the norm to objectify the heck out of females. It's when games purposely go out of their way to make the breasts as big as possible on everything (Dead or Alive Volleyball, Ninja Gaiden 2) that it gets just gross and immature.

And no I dont think this recent trend to objectify women in gaming media is right.

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[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The problem with having a discussion about diversity or sexism is that this is the wrong game to be used as a launching pad. Clearly this game is recycling tropes from the sword-and-sorcery genre and that genre has always been about buxom ladies, muscled warriors, and plenty of purposeful exaggeration.

Grammaton-Cleric

The game seems like it may be trying to be satirical with the outrageous design. Is it truly effective though? When the industry is plagued with similar design genre to genre and there are far less realistically proportioned women to be found does it actually get the point of exaggeration across?

Given Dragon's Crown (possible) intent to be something of a spoof, I think that makes the game an excellent launching pad. Regardless, the game has created conversation and gamers have shown some maturity among typical juvenile comments.

You make an excellent point regarding this game generating some intelligent discussion.

My point however is that context is crucial and I take issue with anyone who uses something like this, which is arguably an outlier in terms of design, and attempts to employ it as evidence that the entire medium is suffering from sexism and a lack of diversity. Clearly this game is adhering to a specific style and genre thus it cannot be used to accurately represent this medium as a whole when it comes to the portrayal of women.

Truthfully, I don't see this design as something commonplace within gaming; I truly can't recall many games that employ such generous...proportions.

Dead or Alive maybe?

Yes, I agree that the game shouldn't be attacked as representative to the entire industry. I find it interesting that such a character caused such controversy when she (at least in my opinion) simply fits in the over exaggerated tone of not only the game, but that particular genre (which transcends video games and is present in movies/comics/etc).

I also agree that I don't really find it common in the industry. Are there instances? Sure, but I find a lot of it is often blown out of proportion. 

Side note: I'm always disappointed Dead or Alive has notoriety simply because of the large breasts, as the game is really a stand out in terms of excellent fighting mechanics. They did that to themselves though. That franchise will likely never get out of the shadow of Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

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If anyone is offended by something like that, they should be avoiding the internet, movies, books, games and tv entirely and go live with the Amish.

capaho

Thanks for providing a good example of insensitivity.

There are things you cannot control/don't agree with and you see and hear it everywhere you turn. Calling people insensitive just isn't a practicle act for everyday people anymore. If you can't live in the present and go with the flow then I'm just saying maybe it's better for people with your sensitivities to stay indoors and watch nothing but Leave it to Beaver episodes. "Golly gee, Wally, that's offensive!"

If it is insensitive to speak the truth, then so be it. There are disproportionate people everywhere you go, walking down the street, at school, at work, at the mall, etc. There are disgusting displays of vulgar sexual innuendo when you watch Two and a Half Men on TV, pop artists singing about sex, books filled with racism, and internet websites like this one where people are riduculed over simple disagreements of opinions.

 

There are things you cannot control/don't agree with and you see and hear it everywhere you turn. Calling people insensitive just isn't a practicle act for everyday people anymore. If you can't live in the present and go with the flow then I'm just saying maybe it's better for people with your sensitivities to stay indoors and watch nothing but Leave it to Beaver episodes. "Golly gee, Wally, that's offensive!"

Zen_Light

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

If it is insensitive to speak the truth, then so be it. There are disproportionate people everywhere you go, walking down the street, at school, at work, at the mall, etc. There are disgusting displays of vulgar sexual innuendo when you watch Two and a Half Men on TV, pop artists singing about sex, books filled with racism, and internet websites like this one where people are riduculed over simple disagreements of opinions.

 

There are things you cannot control/don't agree with and you see and hear it everywhere you turn. Calling people insensitive just isn't a practicle act for everyday people anymore. If you can't live in the present and go with the flow then I'm just saying maybe it's better for people with your sensitivities to stay indoors and watch nothing but Leave it to Beaver episodes. "Golly gee, Wally, that's offensive!"

capaho

Explain how I disrespected the Amish religion. If anything, I was holding it up to a higher level of respect, saying one should go be with them to get away from the ugliness of society in general.

Zen_Light

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

Explain how I disrespected the Amish religion. If anything, I was holding it up to a higher level of respect, saying one should go be with them to get away from the ugliness of society in general.

capaho

Well your interpretation of my comment was blatantly wrong and wildly assumptive.

Zen_Light

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

Well your interpretation of my comment was blatantly wrong and wildly assumptive.

capaho

That maybe you'd be more comfy and safe living in a place with limited accessibility to the outside world. I'm sorry you're offended by the image in the topic, but you can't control everything you don't like, and can't impose your beliefs or what you think is acceptable on others.

Zen_Light

Why would that be preferable to addressing the problem of character images in games that objectify or marginilize a certain percentage of gamers?

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

That maybe you'd be more comfy and safe living in a place with limited accessibility to the outside world. I'm sorry you're offended by the image in the topic, but you can't control everything you don't like, and can't impose your beliefs or what you think is acceptable on others.

capaho

Why would that be preferable to addressing the problem of character images in games that objectify or marginilize a certain percentage of gamers?

Sorry, but if anyone finds anything in a game offensive, it's laughable.

So the insensitivy of character images in games thrives in part due to the insensitivity of the majority of gamers, i.e., the target demographic.

So the insensitivy of character images in games thrives in part due to the insensitivity of the majority of gamers, i.e., the target demographic.

capaho

It's a sad day when critics tell a talented artist how to draw.

It's a sad day when critics tell a talented artist how to draw.

RSM-HQ

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It's a sad day when critics tell a talented artist how to draw.

Buckhannah

So the insensitivy of character images in games thrives in part due to the insensitivity of the majority of gamers, i.e., the target demographic.

capaho

So, it seems that this is a subject that just won't die as a female environment artist from Gearbox commented on it.

"I want to see more women getting interested in games and game development, but stuff like this only serves to further cement the idea that you're stepping into a male hobby rather than something that is more inclusive," she wrote. "Also, this is the first time I've seen that character and holy shit, ahahahahahaha. That's actually something that made its way into a basically finished video game, **** lol! Some juvenile delinquent kid in my 5th grade class used to draw girls that looked like that (only without the creepy blank, featureless samefaces and wizard hats), and I think he was actually better at it. I also think he's in jail now. This is amazing."

http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-artist-slams-dragon-s-crown-character-design-252826.phtml

Her first sentence was great, after that I have to wonder what made her turn off her mind and type that.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree with the woman from Gearbox! Women should be portrayed more favorably in games...

[spoiler]

...also: BOOBIES!

:roll:

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In both my brains, i think those big boobs are just fine

So, it seems that this is a subject that just won't die as a female environment artist from Gearbox commented on it.

"I want to see more women getting interested in games and game development, but stuff like this only serves to further cement the idea that you're stepping into a male hobby rather than something that is more inclusive," she wrote. "Also, this is the first time I've seen that character and holy shit, ahahahahahaha. That's actually something that made its way into a basically finished video game, **** lol! Some juvenile delinquent kid in my 5th grade class used to draw girls that looked like that (only without the creepy blank, featureless samefaces and wizard hats), and I think he was actually better at it. I also think he's in jail now. This is amazing."

http://www.destructoid.com/gearbox-artist-slams-dragon-s-crown-character-design-252826.phtml

Her first sentence was great, after that I have to wonder what made her turn off her mind and type that.

GT90

Hard to take her seriously after that rant. At first it seemed it was going to be professional but nope.

Borderlands has Moxxi, but it also has the two Sirens and Gauge. It does a pretty good job of having a ridiculous, over sexualized woman while portraying other normal(er) women. Hell, there's even an obese woman in Borderlands 2. Oddly enough, so does Dragon's Crown what with the Elf.

Still, hard to take someone from Gearbox seriously when they just produced an Aliens game without any females in it.

It's a sad day when critics tell a talented artist how to draw.

RSM-HQ

It isn't the artistic value of the images that I find fault with, many of the images that have been posted in this thread are impressive in that regard.  The problem is that there are too many such images in games with little else to appeal to gamers who aren't white, heterosexual males who want to drool over the stereotypical adolescent hot chick fantasy.  Players should be able to customize their own character, at least, as to race, ethnicity, gender, age and sexual orientation.  Some games do this (most notably the Fallout series) but most don't.  The single-mindedness in character design marginalizes gamers who don't fit the target demographic for such images.  If that were not the case, there wouldn't be all the controversy over the images nor even the need to start a thread asking, "Do You Find this Character Offensive?"  The fact that so many people have expressed a lack of regard for the feelings of others regarding such images just reinforces my perception that the gaming world still has a lot of growing up to do.

Players should be able to customize their own character, at least, as to race, ethnicity, gender, age and sexual orientation.  Some games do this (most notably the Fallout series) but most don't. 

capaho

I've disagreed with a great deal of what you've written in this thread but I'll happily reiterate my endorsement of this salient proposal.

Giving people the option to fully customize their characters, from ethnicity to gender, would go a long way towards quelling these types of controversies.

It's actually a simple and viable solution.

Players should be able to customize their own character, at least, as to race, ethnicity, gender, age and sexual orientation.  Some games do this (most notably the Fallout series) but most don't.capaho

And for good reason. This works in RPG's or other games which only use the main character as an empty vessel to be boarded and occupied by the player himself. If all games did this, we would be robbed of some really great main characters. That's why I always scoffed at such an idea when it was suggested for a Grand Theft Auto game, for example. There is no one solution for everything. The only thing developers should do is follow their vision. Then it's up to the public to determine whether we like it or not.

And for good reason. This works in RPG's or other games which only use the main character as an empty vessel to be boarded and occupied by the player himself. If all games did this, we would be robbed of some really great main characters. That's why I always scoffed at such an idea when it was suggested for a Grand Theft Auto game, for example. There is no one solution for everything. The only thing developers should do is follow their vision. Then it's up to the public to determine whether we like it or not.

UpInFlames

I agree with you entirely from a philosophical standpoint. I'm just at a point where I'd endorse the notion of giving people the choice merely to shut down these laborious and mind-numbing bouts of political correctness because we live in an era where people are clearly offended by everything and anything.  

I agree with you entirely from a philosophical standpoint. I'm just at a point where I'd endorse the notion of giving people the choice merely to shut down these laborious and mind-numbing bouts of political correctness because we live in an era where people are clearly offended by everything and anything.  

 

Grammaton-Cleric

Anyhow, I don't think people in a creative sector should be bogged down by a minority that might find some of their work offensive.  There will always be offended minorities.

[Ah, but one should not give in to the offended masses.SupremeAC

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I agree with you entirely from a philosophical standpoint. I'm just at a point where I'd endorse the notion of giving people the choice merely to shut down these laborious and mind-numbing bouts of political correctness because we live in an era where people are clearly offended by everything and anything.  

 

SupremeAC

Anyhow, I don't think people in a creative sector should be bogged down by a minority that might find some of their work offensive.  There will always be offended minorities.

You are, of course, right and I'll freely admit this concession on my part is the product of fatigue in the face of unrelenting PC nonsense.

My rationale is that by giving people options, perhaps these types of needless controversies will fade away but at the same time I should amend my comment to state emphatically that NO ARTIST SHOULD COMPROMISE THEIR VISION.

If adding customizable options belittles or marginalizes their artistic expression or intent, they shouldn't include the feature.

I know I certainly wouldn't acquiesce to such pressure.   

Well, I guess the reason why jiggling boobs are so popular with so many gamers is because there are so many gamers who are boobs.

[QUOTE="SupremeAC"][Ah, but one should not give in to the offended masses.Buckhannah

That's been one of the biggest problems with this most recent torrent of politically correct nonsense, which is turning outrage into an excuse for censorship. The irony is that many of the people who squeal about these issues identify themselves as liberals and yet they seem to want to restrict free expression if said expression doesn't conform to their homogeneous, PC-ideology.  

My rationale is that by giving people options, perhaps these types of needless controversies will fade away but at the same time I should amend my comment to state emphatically that NO ARTIST SHOULD COMPROMISE THEIR VISION.

If adding customizable options belittles or marginalizes their artistic expression or intent, they shouldn't include the feature.Grammaton-Cleric

Oh it wouldn't have worked anyway. People having options isn't good enough. They can't just suck it up and stick with their option, the very existence of another option "offends" them. They need to have their option, and take away the options of others. It's like with TV. Some advocacy groups can't stand the idea of just changing the channel when a program "offends" them. No, that takes too much effort. (What are they supposed to be, reasonable adults??? Nope!) They have to alter or censor those "offensive" channels for every one else and super impose their view on everyone. They don't want options, they want their way.

That's been one of the biggest problems with this most recent torrent of politically correct nonsense, which is turning outrage into an excuse for censorship. The irony is that many of the people who squeal about these issues identify themselves as liberals and yet they seem to want to restrict free expression if said expression doesn't conform to their homogeneous, PC-ideology. Grammaton-Cleric

Oh it wouldn't have worked anyway. People having options isn't good enough. They can't just suck it up and stick with their option, the very existence of another option "offends" them. They need to have their option, and take away the options of others. It's like with TV. Some advocacy groups can't stand the idea of just changing the channel when a program "offends" them. No, that takes too much effort. (What are they supposed to be, reasonable adults??? Nope!) They have to alter or censor those "offensive" channels for every one else and super impose their view on everyone. They don't want options, they want their way.

Buckhannah

Who's talking about censorship or taking anything away?  What options are you talking about?  Most of us who are tired of the default characters are essentially complaining about the lack of options.  I don't want you to be deprived of your women with big breasteses if that's what you need to enjoy your games, I just prefer character options that are more in line with my preferences, mainly more more mature and more accurately representative of the diversity of the human experience.  I've grown up.  I don't need drooling teenage fantasy images anymore.  More character options mean we both get what we want.  Why is that such a threatening proposition?

Interesting that the discussion of customization and options stems from a conversation regarding Dragon's Crown. If a player doesn't like the large breasts of the Sorceress then they can simply choose another character. The Elf is a perfect substitute as she's realistically proportioned and fully clothed.

I think customizing characters is expected in most open world RPGs such as Skyrim/Fallout, but the idea of every game having it is ridiculous and silly. I suppose my opinion stems from my personal experience of never really caring what the main protagonist was. I was never disconnected while playing The Walking Dead because Lee was black and I'm not. I enjoyed Tomb Raider immensely, although I'm not a woman. I'm also not a blue hedgehog, but I have a lot of fun with Sonic... well, used to, too bad that series hasn't released a good game in a while but that's not the point.

I would like to see more diversity though, if for no other reason then it's simply boring having so many main characters look and act alike.  

It is not my intention to insult you, I hope you come to realize that at some point in the manner in which I have responded to you.  

 

I'm not really into name calling and I prefer to stick to the issues without personalizing it too much, although I don't hesitate to provide a measured response when I'm being unfairly or inappropriately attacked over mere disagreement.

 

Well, I guess the reason why jiggling boobs are so popular with so many gamers is because there are so many gamers who are boobs.

capaho

Truly, hypocrite isn't an expansive enough term to encompass your inanity.

Interesting that the discussion of customization and options stems from a conversation regarding Dragon's Crown. If a player doesn't like the large breasts of the Sorceress then they can simply choose another character. The Elf is a perfect substitute as she's realistically proportioned and fully clothed.

I think customizing characters is expected in most open world RPGs such as Skyrim/Fallout, but the idea of every game having it is ridiculous and silly. I suppose my opinion stems from my personal experience of never really caring what the main protagonist was. I was never disconnected while playing The Walking Dead because Lee was black and I'm not. I enjoyed Tomb Raider immensely, although I'm not a woman. I'm also not a blue hedgehog, but I have a lot of fun with Sonic... well, used to, too bad that series hasn't released a good game in a while but that's not the point.IndianaPwns39

Exactly. Not every game has these options, and if someone doesn't like that, well that's just too damn bad. Designers should not be pressured into compromising their vision, people can buy their vision, or they can go elsewhere.  You want big boobs on the sorceress?  Go for it.  You want Mass Effect 3 to have a sh*tty ending?  Make it sh*tty.  BTW, I actually like the elf the best and would likely play as her anyway.